Monday, March 22, 2010

Gullet Comparisons

Lisa of Laughing Orca Ranch had mentioned that she wished she could see down the gullet of my Circle Y Mojave Arabian saddle to get an idea of if it might fit her new half-Morgan Apache. I promised her I'd take some pictures for her this weekend. Here's the Circle Y...

In comparison, here's the Tucker High Plains Trail Saddle with a wide tree...

Most Arabian saddles have an extra wide tree, so this one is narrower, but not too narrow for an Arabian. I chose this trail saddle for Lostine in part because it wraps around the barrel more and is more likely to stay behind the withers. The Circle Y tends to ride up over her withers onto her neck as the cinch loosens over time. However, the Circle Y is perfect for Bombay and Gabbrielle, who both have prominent withers.

Here's a picture of them both together...

I believe the gullet width for both of them is 6 1/4 inches, but you can see that they have different angles.


Dreaming said...

Thanks for the great pictures. I have been struggling with finding a saddle for my Haflingers. I tried a Tucker wide tree and the points of the tree still dug into their withers.
My husband and I are going to take both horses shopping some day. We are going to go to a large saddle shop and let them try on saddles!

Reddunappy said...

Hey NM,
Yeah an Arab tree is wide, but they tend to be flatter too than other trees, the angle of the tree is different, could be why it slides up on her. A walker tree might be worth looking into for Lisa too, Scout has an uphill build like a morgan or walker type.
Sorry I dont want to sound like a know it all LOL, it took me a lot of years working in a feed store and buying tack to learn some, not all by any means LOL about saddles.

Reddunappy said...

LOL you did say at the end the angles were different LOL ;0)

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

The gullet is becoming my undoing toward finding a new barrel saddle that fits Moon. FQH(full Quarter Horse) bars does not necessarily guarantee that the gullet is going to be wide enough. According to the makers, FQH means a 7" gullet, but in reality, it could be anywhere between 6-3/4" to nearly 8". So it's a good idea to always measure.

Laughing Orca Ranch said...

Hmmmm, kind of what I thought. Now I wonder if I should buy an Arabian saddle for her. The Circle Y seems like it might fit her better and give her the room in her wide shoulders that she needs, but would be high enough for her prominent withers. She's so wide and broad backed, though, too. So most saddles don't seem like they would fit both the front of her and the back.

Baby Doll's Henry Miller Plantation saddle is on a semi-quarter horse tree and when I tried it on her, I could see that, though it was nice and high off her withers, it was too tight in the shoulders.

When I rode Apache over at Colleen's I used a Fabtron half-cordura saddle on her. The tree was FQHB. It fit her perfectly on her broad short back, but did set a little low on her withers.....not touching...but only about 2 fingers above.

I can't afford the saddle of my dreams quite yet, and now that the Henry Miller doesn't fit my horse (and is too big for me, too....long story), I must buy a new saddle.

So, I did. I decided upon an Abetta Trail saddle after reading positive reviews on it. Yeh, it's cordura and won't last forever, but it will hold me over until I can buy a better more long lasting saddle, and at least allow me to ride.
I ordered the Abetta in the FQHB, so I hope it works well for Apache. I plan to use it with Baby Doll's built-up, cut-out saddle pad, so that should help give the saddle a little more lift above the withers. I'll let you you know how it works out.

Thanks for sharing the photos and information on the saddles.


allhorsestuff said...

Those are excellent shots....very helpful.
I am JUST now trying for a Western saddle. Nothing fits a Thoroughbred! I tried on a treeless her perfectly at the shoulder. It measured 8 inches wide...but the thing rested on her withers.Have a feeling..gonna need to try tons of saddles!

Reddunappy said...

Sorry Lisa I called Apache, Scout, my brain doesnt always keep up LOL.

Hmm take a look at a walker tree saddle, they flare out a lot more in the shoulder.

Yes great pics and info NM!
I love everyones sharing of information! This is a great community!

Laughing Orca Ranch said...


No worries. She sort of looks a little like Val's gelding Scout. lol!
When you say 'Walker' are you referring to a brand of saddle? Or are you referring to a gaited horse saddle?
If so, do they typically have high clearance for withers? And are the bars shorter for a short backed horse?